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A second look at Mets 2B Justin Turner

June 12, 2011
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In the month of June, six of the Mets eight regulars have an OPS over .800 and two regulars carry a sub-.600 OPS. It will surprise no one that Jason Bay is in the latter category. But many might be caught off guard that the other member of the poor-hit club this month is Justin Turner. In nine games this month, Turner has a .216/.268/.297 line, which earned him a day off Saturday night.

Turner’s slump started the last day of May, when he took an 0-for-4. Coming into that game, Turner had a .337 AVG and an .851 OPS. In 10 days, his overall line has fell to a .293 AVG and a .746 OPS.

Generally, the fan base very much likes Turner. He acquitted himself well in limited action last year and didn’t complain when he received only token consideration for the open second base job in Spring Training. But Turner saved his ace for when he was promoted to the majors in 2011. Nothing will endear you to fans more than hitting when you get your first real chance. Turner was installed as a starter for good on May 12th and in his first 17 games he batted .342 with an .899 OPS.

Meanwhile, fans have swallowed the Turner Kool-Aid and begun thinking of this as his true talent level, rather than a well-timed hot streak. I hate to break it to everyone, but Turner is simply not this good. Coming into this season, he merited just two projections from the systems available on FanGraphs. Marcel saw him producing a .702 OPS in 211 PA. ZiPS pegged him with a .697 OPS over 531 PA.

Now, projection systems are certainly not infallible. But these two systems saw Turner as virtually the same hitter. They saw him as someone who certainly wouldn’t embarrass you if you had to play him, but not someone you would want in your lineup at any cost.

Turner’s hot streak mentioned above came thanks to a .390 BABIP. It is simply not realistic to expect someone to maintain that BABIP over a full season. Guys like David Wright, who had a .394 BABIP in 2009, are the exception, sort of like seeing someone in the Chess Club being able to bench press 250 pounds.

Clearly, Turner is not a .513 OPS hitter, like he’s been in his last 10 games, just as he’s not an .899 OPS hitter. But where in the middle does his true talent lie? Overall this year, he has a .746 OPS, which is probably at the top end of what we should expect over a full season. ZiPS forecasts him to post a .702 OPS over the remainder of the season to finish the year with a .716 mark in the category.

A .716 OPS would rank 14th among full-time second basemen this season. Last year there were 17 second basemen who played enough to qualify for the FanGraphs leaderboards. Turner would rank 11th with that .716 OPS.

Meanwhile, the preseason projections on Daniel Murphy forecasted a better hitter. Marcel had him with a .748 OPS (46 points higher than Turner) while ZiPS projected a .764 mark (67 points higher). So far this year, Murphy has a .774 OPS, higher than what the two other systems forecasted, but beneath the .794 Bill James projection.

ZiPS sees Murphy putting up a .768 OPS the rest of the way and now projects Murphy to finish with a .774 OPS. That’s a difference of 58 points in OPS in end of year projections between Murphy and Turner, a pretty substantial amount. The difference is 66 points the remainder of the season.

At some point Wright and Ike Davis are going to come off the disabled list. And when that point happens, those guys should play their normal spots and Murphy should be the second baseman while Turner becomes the bench guy.

So, be grateful for the production that Turner gave the Mets when Davis hit the disabled list. He was the shot in the arm that the club so desperately needed. But do not look at him as a potential starter on a playoff-caliber club. As a starter, Turner is a place holder, someone to hold down the position until a better option comes along. And the Mets already have a better option in Murphy.

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4 Responses to A second look at Mets 2B Justin Turner

  1. Metsense
    June 12, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Great analysis and from it I draw the conclusion of a platoon. I think overall Murphy to be the more accomplished hitter but an inferior fielder. Turner hits a little less but defends much better than Murphy and probably avg for the league. A platoon keeps both fresh and strenghtens the bench. Finally, I love the way Turner bats with men on base. Having someone knock in runs with men on base is so refreshing.

  2. June 13, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    I demand equal time for Ruben Tejada!

    Excellent perspective, though. I’ve been debating who gets the nod when Wright/Davis return, namely whether Turner’s ~.700 OPS plus his defense could outweigh Murphy’s ~.750 OPS plus defense. Unfortunately, we haven’t really seen enough of either at second to make a determination. And I imagine the nod would still go to Murphy.

    • Brian Joura
      June 14, 2011 at 9:57 am

      Hey Matt – good to hear from you!

      I did give some time to Tejada a week or so ago – http://mets360.com/?p=6919

  3. Guerillmo Parra
    July 18, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    I dont assume the person that wrote this article or supplys this information on Turner ever played the game!

    There are guys that play to win and then there are guys that play. I think Pete Rose was a pretty underrated player and I think the fans knew more than the stat geeks back then too!

    We all saw what the Dallas Mavericks did to the superstars didn’t we!!!!

    Turner is a gamer and he will be the second baseman somewhere come post season play!

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