Mets 2020 projections: Marcus Stroman

The Mets acquired Marcus Stroman near the trade deadline last year, partially as an upgrade to Jason Vargas and partially as a 2020 replacement for Zack Wheeler. The cost was two prospects, which by itself was okay but combined with giving up two prospects in an earlier deal, really caused the Mets to be thin at the upper levels of their farm system.

Vargas ended up being given away to the Phillies to make room for Stroman. In his 11 starts with the Phillies, Vargas was 1-4 with a 5.37 ERA and a 1.518 WHIP. Meanwhile, Stroman also made 11 starts with his new team and went 4-2 with a 3.77 ERA and a 1.475 WHIP. On the surface, he certainly appeared to be an upgrade from Vargas. But both players were better before the trades then afterwards. Would the Mets have been better with Vargas and the prospects? Right now it’s too soon to tell. A lot will depend on how Stroman does in 2020 and if he ends up with the Mets long term.

Meanwhile, Stroman had a very odd debut with the Mets last year. In his first seven starts, he really did not resemble the guy who dominated with the Blue Jays, as he had a 5.05 ERA, a .918 OPS allowed and opposing batters had a .387 BABIP. But in his final four games with the Mets, we saw a pitcher who was even better than the guy who made the All-Star team earlier in the year. In that closing stretch, a span of 24 IP, Stroman had a 1.88 ERA, a .540 OPS allowed and opposing hitters managed just a .258 BABIP.

It’s tough to hang your hat on 24 IP. But in 124.1 IP with Toronto last year before the trade, Stroman had a 2.96 ERA and a 1.227 WHIP in the league with the designated hitter. And it’s not like he was never good before. In 2017, he posted a 3.09 ERA and a 1.308 WHIP in 201 IP. The less said about 2018 – where he resembled the Stroman from his first seven starts with the Mets – the better. But we have 349.1 IP over the past three years where Stroman’s performed like a low-end SP1 or a high-end SP2.

We also have 138 IP where he’s been an SP5. How do you forecast a guy like that? Let’s start by checking with what the computer models have:

ATC – 173 IP, 3.80 ERA, 152 Ks, 58 BB, 18 HR
Marcel – 162 IP, 3.94 ERA, 142 Ks, 54 BB, 18 HR
Steamer – 179 IP, 3.89 ERA, 154 Ks, 59 BB, 18 HR
ZiPS – 169.1 IP, 3.72 ERA, 144 Ks, 53 BB, 17 HR

That’s a lot of agreement among our four models. You better have a solid reason to deviate from this, regardless of direction.

In 2018, Stroman battled a shoulder injury. The problem first surfaced in Spring Training and while he opened the year in the rotation, he was sidelined from May 9 to June 22. Before going on the then-called DL, Stroman had a 7.71 ERA. In his first 10 starts after he returned, Stroman had a 3.34 ERA and limited opposing batters to a .655 OPS with a .303 BABIP. But Stroman was lit up in his final two starts of the season, as he allowed 9 ER in 5.2 IP. Those last two outings, Stroman battled blister problems. Since it was September, no DL move was announced. He simply didn’t pitch after September 3.

So, the computer models are weighing 2018 heavily, since it happened so recently. Stroman did not have either shoulder or blister problems last year. Are they “cured” and in the past? You never like to hear about a pitcher with a should problem. And blisters can linger, too. The responsible thing would be to put up a prediction in line with the computer models. But a healthy Stroman is significantly better than that.

If we’re going to dice his 2019, and include his first seven starts with the Mets in the “bad” column, shouldn’t we dice 2018 and put his middle 10 starts in the “good” column? That seems appropriate. So now we have 409 IP over the past three years where Stroman’s been good and 78.2 IP where he’s been bad, with the majority of the bad innings occurring when he was nowhere near 100%.

Here’s my totally biased prediction for Stroman in 2020:

IP – 180
ERA – 3.05
Ks – 144
BB – 54
HR – 15

You’ll have more credibility in the future if you chime in now with what you think Stroman will do this year. Next, Amed Rosario goes under the forecast microscope.

14 comments for “Mets 2020 projections: Marcus Stroman

  1. February 13, 2020 at 9:26 am

    I’m thinking Stroman will be more comfortable and better acclimated in his new dwellings. That being said here goes.
    IP 181
    WL 15-8
    K;S 182
    BB 45
    ERA 3.30
    HR 17

  2. TexasGusCC
    February 13, 2020 at 9:44 am

    209 IP
    21-6
    190 K’s
    51 BB’s
    19 HR’s

    I’m going to project that at least three starters have 200 innings… Thor, Cy, and Marcus

    • February 13, 2020 at 10:07 am

      Hey, if the Braves can have 2 of the 9 guys to amass 700 PA last year, I see no reason why the Mets can’t have 3 guys to top 200 IP. Last year 15 pitchers did that in the majors.

  3. MattyMets
    February 13, 2020 at 10:03 am

    Like Brian, I’m bullish on Stroman for 2020.
    IP – 190
    ERA – 3.18
    Ks – 152
    BB – 52
    HR – 16

    Plus I pick him to win the gold glove. Best fielding I’ve seen from a Mets pitcher since Darling.

  4. José
    February 13, 2020 at 11:10 am

    Don’t know much about Stroman, but the rest of yous appear to agree that he has a pretty positive upside, so who am I to argue? Noteworthy that he’s only 5’7″ – have the Metsies ever had a shorter hurler?

    • February 13, 2020 at 11:23 am

      Daniel Herrera checked in at 5’6

      • José
        February 13, 2020 at 12:40 pm

        OK, how about someone shorter who pitched more than 8 innings total?

        Garsh, Bri, knowledge can often be dangerous, and your recall of Mets minutia seems downright deadly…

        • TexasGusCC
          February 13, 2020 at 5:40 pm

          You use words like minutia but consistently refer to us as “yous”? Are mocking uss?

  5. Boomboom
    February 13, 2020 at 12:08 pm

    IP – 176
    ERA – 3.50
    Ks – 152
    BB – 47
    HR – 17
    Agree with Matty mets. Gold glove on the mound.

  6. footballhead
    February 13, 2020 at 2:05 pm

    A healthy Stroman will be a solid #3 with 32 starts. I’m sort of in line with Pete & TexasGusCC that Marcus will be more comfortable and secure this year in NY. So my lines are

    IP 191 ERA 3.20 K 155 BB 55 HR 19 W/L 14-11. Overall numbers similar to last year, but I think the long ball will cost him at times. I have him avg 6 innings per start so his record will really be affected by how the bullpen performs for him. He could win 4 more then what I have if it does perform at least average…..something we haven’t seen in a while.

    Wasn’t Al Jackson from the birth years of the Mets a small guy also?

    • ckroynovich
      February 14, 2020 at 7:49 am

      Al Jackson was 5’10” per BRef

      Stroman in 2020:
      10-10, 3.66
      IP – 160
      K – 150
      BB – 57
      HR – 14

  7. February 13, 2020 at 2:07 pm

    Record: 12-9

    IP: 175

    ERA: 3.75

    Ks: 154

    BBs: 60

    HRs: 17

  8. Steve S.
    February 14, 2020 at 11:20 am

    IP – 185
    ERA – 3.62
    Ks – 160
    BB – 55
    HR – 18

  9. Ike Rauth
    February 14, 2020 at 9:17 pm

    I could see Mike is doing something like 15 to 16 wins 10 to 12 losses in ERA anywhere from 3 to 3 1/2 probably about 180 innings like you had said The big thing is I think he will feel much more relaxed and a part of the team and I think that’s going to serve him very well

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