Jonathon Niese hopes for a better result than last time out, when he received a no-decision despite seven innings of one-run ball. The Mets take on the Dodgers at 1:10 PM.
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Elvin Ramirez up, Miguel Batista DFAd, two spots open on the 40-man roster.
I am surprised at Batista DFA, i thought he was immune from any roster move
But he’s been really bad for a month now, so i can’t blame them
I think it’s pretty crappy. I just don’t think it’s fair to yank a guy back and forth between starting and relieving and then cut him after his first start in two months.
That’s what i was thinking
I understand he was not good as a RP these past six weeks but he had showed at least a bit of promise as a SP. I thought he deserved another start.
Do you think anyone will scoop him up or that he’ll leave?
I don’t know. Can’t imagine there’s too many more opportunities left for a guy his age at the major league level.
I’m surprised they didnt go for Acosta over Ramirez, Acosta can probably go a little longer in length
Acosta deserves another shot.
But Ramirez does, too. I want to see if he really can get 98+ on a regular basis.
This stretch reminds me of the Dodgers bad stretch, thing is, they don’t have the same amount of time to work with as them
Braves lost a bunch in a row earlier, too.
All right, let’s get an early lead for a change.
Jv has his average up to 293
Where do you see him fitting in long-term?
Keith’s obviously a fan!
I’m no good with predicting long term future
Do you think he’s a starter? Infielder or outfielder?
I have a feeling he might be a trade chip
Mets have too many young players soon to come up in the next 2-3 years
Were you the one who made the Soriano comparison the other day?
No no no. I’m far too young to make comparison to other players
Must’ve been Chris. I thought it was interesting, if nothing else
Do you want them to call up Harvey?
Might be better to call up McHugh right now, he would have less pressure than Harvey
I mean, people would expecting harvey to save this season, which is impossible for 1 person to do
unless your mike trout
you’re
I just fear that McHugh is just Schwinden in another body.
Or we could catch lighting in a bottle and he could be like Gee in another body
I like that optimism!
And i’ve heard a lot of people say that they think that Schwinden has better stuff than Gee
5 IP, 6 ER for Harvey last night.
Hi all
Hey Chris!
Hello everybody.
And by lot of people i’m talking about scouts/writers
Hey Robert!
The thing to remember is that Gee doesn’t have great stuff. He’s got a bunch of pitches but none of them are outstanding.
Schwindy scares me
Loved that view of Ike moving further back in the box.
Agreed Brian, he’s a 5 guy…Gee that is
That’s why we play the game. Stuff does not equal results
Turn on the ball again, Murph
Woo-hoo!
Im with Howie and Josh today again
Go Murph!
Duda taking too much again
Hopefully their voices don’t grate on you Chris
Ha! I’m used to it!
Good pitch to hit here, HR?
Josh just sail that Duda ans cedeno have the same slugging percentage
Sad
Well so it goes
Thole had that one good – just right at Kemp
So Batista DFA, everyone good with that?
I think it was kind of crappy
Worth the roster spot for ElRam?
I’m glad they’re giving Ramirez another shot this year.
Man, runner on 2b and top of line up.
Seems weird to see Kirk in CF
Why?
Hes been all over out there
Hasn’t played CF since 7/13
Really? Wow. Good job from our ace!
As Gary Cohen said last inning — Niese and Dickey and then it gets sticky
Wheeler, RA,Niese, Harvey, Gee
Wheeler and Harvey both lit up in their last start…
I know. It’s just little else for us
Hefner on Wednesday
That was a nice curve from the LA pitcher
I guess I don’t see Hef as the answer.
Right now the answer is to pitch more than 3 innings.
Rivera looked terrible on that groundball.
Howie just said the top brass is tossing out Harvey’s last 2 starts because his head was in NY not Buffalo
I believe Howie said that.
JV is up for good now
I think you’re probably right.
That came from TC
If he’s going to platoon with Bay, he’ll get enough ABs to make it the right decision.
I meant harvey
Bay will have to sit
yay, glad to see it is still 0-0
DW K rate is alarming
I don’t see having your head somewhere else for your last two stats when you know everyone is paying extra attention as the sign of someone ready for the majors.
DW is just trying too hard right now. Like Keith said, he’s trying to hit the 8-run HR
I agree, it’s just rationalizing bringing him up next week
What’s with the Mets and the All-star Break – always seemed to get sapped from the layoff
Hey 834 – thanks for joining!
Kemp is unstoppable
Last year K-Rod and Beltran were traded in July and then Murphy got hurt.
Have a couple minutes to hang and chat – always fun
Welcome aboard
Nice to see Murphy range for that ball.
If by the end of 2012 we can say Murph is a second baseman, then that’s worth it
Has Niese had a runner on second base for every at-bat this game?
Chris, don’t you think we can say that now?
Niese and the gopher ball — someone should write a story about that
At what point does Murphy’s complete transformation into the21st century version of Dave Magadan happen?
I do, but not convinced that’s a rule
It seems like so many unknowns have had career games vs the Mets this year
I was thinking that last night after Uribe had a career day
Magadan had 8 years in the majors with at least 100 games played, three more with 90 and one with 85.
watching this team has become painful
Lifetime .767 OPS — that’s a nice 2B
Also Luis Cruz, Ishikawa-MIL, Frazier-CIN, probably many more
Yep
Hey Steve – just in time for the comeback
hopefully murph smacks one in the gap here this team needs a spark
Ben Sheets
As a minor league guy – are you in favor of Harvey getting the call now?
Say McHugh!
i’ll take one down a line
no keep harvey down in the minors
Hopefully he’ll be able to keep this up for the rest of the year
i like the approach they’re taking with him. until that changeup is more consistent don’t bring him up to be smacked around right now
Go murph!
I’m psyched to see Murphy pulling the ball again.
Even if that one was foul
I down on replay
Bad job murph, Niewy is K-ing like crazy behind Duda
Yep
Duda gets a hit!
Pitchers have figured Kirk out
Hairston doesn’t have a great arm but come on he was only about 30 feet behind 3B!
He would have been dead meet if he tried to score
yeah he would’ve been thrown out
murph isn’t exactly a speedster
Yea. But you have to try to score with Kirk about to K
Kirk looks bad
Maybe you have to be more aggressive but you don’t have to be stupid.
never know thole might get a hit
I’d rather take the chance on Jerry Hairston
just because kirk will probably K doesn’t mean you have to risk the whole inning..got to trust thole
i’m going to apply for the mets 3rd base coach job
Niese looks good at the plate this year
I’ve got a buddy who has coached HS basketball who applied for the Bobcats head coach job
There you go
Way to go Thole!
did he get a call back from the bobcats? no one wants that job right now
Not even a rejection form letter
as soon as they lost out on anthony davis jerry sloan pulled his name right out
Josh seems to be coming around
Pulling a Phil Jackson
it’s about time too…thole has been dreadful in RBI situations this year. it’d be nice to have at least one guy after Duda that could drive in a run
seems like a lot of times this year as soon as the mets get to the 7th spot the rallies are over
Thole hasn’t been the same since the concussion. A couple of good swings today, though.
Hes had a few good hits recently
speaking of people not the same since concussions…how is sandy going to unload jason bay this off season?
Can we say Buffalo?
pay the whole contract and trade him for extra large gloves for when the catchers catch Dickey?
Reassign him to the “bat boy” role
That’s about as close as to hitting he should get
Id hate to lose o
A bat boy tho!
afternoon folks
Is there any thing more frightening than seeing Duda make a basket catch?
Hey Tim – thanks for coming back!
yes, watching Lester pitch today
Could this be a 1-2-3 for Niese?
Not many 1-2-3’s for the Mets post break
whats up tim?
Could probably count them on both hands
just hanging out and watching some ball
and to answer your question Duda attempting diving catches scare me senseless
Seems like you won’t be watching Lester for long…
i have images of inside the park homeruns whenever he leaves his feet
they are still wheeling him out
save the bullpen day
Nice catch ruben
Ruben!
what happened to lester?
9-3 in 3rd
9 ER in first 2 IP
****.
BP for Jays today. When Rajai takes someone deep no need for comments
Ouch
nice effort from Niese today, just one mistake
Eovaldi has looked good, too. He’s got a nice breaking pitch – just needs some consistency
agreed. Dodgers have a couple nice arms to build on in Eovaldi and next year DLR
David Lee Roth?
lol
tejada is killing his pitch count
As. He does
I was just thinking. Batista exemplifies this Mets pitching this year. Struggling badly when he’s in the bullpen, been good as a starter, and absoluetly terrible recently
That’s a nice summary. Well, not nice – accurate
Wow – JV with the drag bunt yesterday and another nice bunt there today.
OK Wright time to deliver
This is the product of Tejada’s draining AB
Indeed
Lots of throws to first?
Wright hit a single up the middle. 1st and 3rd
Good running
behind again….
?
time to tie this one up
Yep
We got the Red-hot Murph up. You think he’d at least be able to the run in
sac fly at least
bleah
WHat was that
the Davis K
That was a pitiful swing
Ugly
Well that was sad
Still got four more times at the plate. If Niese can go a few more innings we’re still okay.
Yeah,nut those are runs we need badly
Hey Tim – got Ryan Zimmerman in any leagues?
Hey Metsense – I hope you’re here to lead the comeback!
i thought for sure terry was going to pull davis for harriston
scary
elbert has reverse splits
Wow – I didn’t think that ball was hit that hard
Brian, was on earlier but a storm came through and I lost electric and computer had no charge,LGM
Welco me back!
I was covering a collegiate game last night and we had a two hour delay for lightning. I guess it’s that time of year.
I sw that on FB. pretty intense was it Brian?
I was shocked that we waited that long for it to finish
It wasn’t the air to surface lightning, so it wasn’t as scary as it could have been. It was just long…
OK, let’s get that run back
Where was that hit last AB?
Should have gotten the out at 2B
If things were different we would be PH here.
might be now or never right here
Good AB there Niese
OK Ruben – you’re due
Price lost MLB.tv what’s happened..
The walk may be the break we need to get things going.
Anyone else lose MLB.tv?
working for me
runners on first and second
ugh
Ruben up with two outs, 0-2 count
Mine’s working but the Mets hitters aren’t
Quite a few long fly balls by the Mets today. We need to change them for some line drives
might be time to think about being sellers at the deadline
And sell what?
good question Brian
Supposedly teams were interested in Byrdak last year but what could you get for him?
scott hariston if anyone is interested, i’d see what the market is for valdespin, and see if someone’s willing to offer up the farm for dickey
I could see trading JV if we were looking for immediate help but it would seem odd to build for the future and trade him.
i see valdespin fizzling out eventually, but i have to admit ive come around on him the past week
i wouldnt mind selling high on him if they could find someone who doesn’t see him as a project
*** i hope we don’t waste this effort by Niese again
Niese did what we hoped he would do – kept us in the game and gave innings.
Parnell needs work so I imagine he’s pitching today.
This seems lined up to be our inning. 2-3-4 hitters and a non-closer RH reliever in the game
Oh well I’ve been completely locked out of MLB.tv
Sorry Chris
one out bottom 7th, Wright up, Mets down 3-1
Three close pitches to Wright and the last one was called for strike three.
Please lets take advantage of that break
Mets have gotten a few calls today.
C’mon Murph – pull the ball and get another RBI
one back
Two-out magic!
Ice cold duda up though
Hey now – he got a hit last time up
time to break outta that slump?
or not
Time for him to figure it out at AAA? Should we take a look at Loewen?
I liked what I saw both in Zona and with Jays
might get it done
Murph has been everything asked for at 2B but right now he is platooning. Is he our 2013 2B?
I know he sat versus Capuano but is it a full-blown platoon?
Mlb.tv folks cleared up my account. Back in time to see Duda be nothing. Happy about the run though!
Collins sat him versus LHP when he was struggling but now that he’s hitting I expect he’ll play most games. He generally hangs in well versus lefties.
I didn’t think so , but since the break it appears it has been.
Kemp is astounding
Collins got greedy trying to get another inning out of Niese.
Murph is the guy imo
TC has few options, had to stretch Niese.
Murph is my 2B but I get the feeling JV may be thought hard by the FO
I say make JV a corner outfielder
Ramirez pitch the 8th, Parnell the 9th. Parnell hasn’t pitched the past two games and neither
Ramirez or Rauch pitched yesterday.
JV has value somewhere, even if in a utility role. 1/3 season to figure it out
Chris, were you the one who compared JV to Soriano?
Nope
Name I think?
No, I asked him earlier and he said it wasn’t him.
Nice job by Byrdak.
Now we go ahead
Nice to see you believe in the bottom of the order.
Thole got us a run
I guess try anything
Josh!
We’ve lost out last 5 one-run games
Thats painful right there
As was that
Bullpen did good today
Yes it did. Now it’s time for the offense to pull its weight.
You and I are the only ones who believe
Don’t like the bunt
Are you ahead of me? I just saw Ruben’s hit
bunt play on for 1st pitch 2nd pitch JV was hitting
OK – Just saw pickoff throw after first pitch.
I hate strategy of given up outs
I’m with you. I’d be okay with JV doing the drag bunt that he did yesterday.
wouldve liked to see a hit and run on 2-0
Cmon Davis!
DW
I hope he knows they’re going to throw all breaking *****
3 run homer?
davis speciality
just lift the ball
and we have murphy next
just needs to avoid the DP
that was a good pitch to hit right there
on 1-0
don’t K!
rather a K then a DP
i still say davis gets it done here
i say he K’s
i don’t want this to end on a strike out throw out
davis is smashing one man dont worry
that works too but davis is unbelieveably slow haha
Oh man, i wasn’t sure if Tejada was running there
good thing he was
it sure does work
Good call walking murphy
this umps strike zone frustrates me
he’s been inconsistant at times yes
they NEED to win, can’t settle for another “good fight” game
oh boy, back in the bullpens hands
that low strike is unfair as well…hows a tall guy like Duda suppose to get a good swing on that ball?
not everyone is vlad guerero lol
Got Niese off the hook, at least
thats true brian
How many innings will the bullpen go without giving up an ER?
Parnell going a 2nd inning – a little surprised about that.
Hopefully they only need 3
What choice does TC have?
little unrelated but does anyone else think the mets blew it by making meija a bullpen arm this year? with gee and johan out now it seems like meija could’ve stepped in and performed this year as a starter
with out a doubt. you don’t make starters , relief pitchers in the minors
They’ve jerked Mejia around twice now and he’s what, 22?
blame warthen, he wanted him in the bullpen for as long as i could remember
Warthen’s philosophy baffles me
doesn’t make sense not to let him try as a starter…if he fails then you can slip him to the bullpen
but he had done a good job with the starters… until the break
C’mon bobby. Hang in there
veteran starters know what to do, it is the new guys that are developing too slowly after getting to the majors
I admit my bias against Warthen. However, I don’t see how you can give him credit for the Mets’ SP in the first half.
he’s had a nice effect on the development of niese you have to give him that
dickey seems to really like him as well
but dickeys success is completely self made in my opinion..hes the one who reached out to the great knuckleballers
I’m not sold on Niese as a Warthen success story, it is his third year
I’m not for giving much credit (or blame) to coaches, but i think he deserves some credit here
Although the ballplayers would probably disagree with me
yeah ive seen niese give credit warthens way…pelfrey seemed like he was primed for a successful year this year as well with the new delivery
Dave Duncan? Hudgens? Lopes? they seem to make a difference
Plus, Niese’s issue has been falling apart down the stretch. It’s too soon to call him a success this year.
captain kirk! they better bring him in man
Steve, if you have a cite for Niese giving Warthen credit, I’d like to see it.
Warthen not good.
that’s fair enough..but warthen does deserve some credit..i do believe he could be upgraded though
i’ll try to find a link for you brian..i do remember seeing it a couple times
I wouldn’t use Cedeno to bunt, Nickeas is on deck!
Nice for kirk
I’ve seen a few mentions of how much individual pitchers like Warthen but nothing like “Warthen taught me a new windup” or something concrete.
We can’t really tell their effects as fans to be honest
i did like warthen calling niese out in the media about his study habits
until they come to the media and say it
exactly Brian, and yes I’ll take an upgrade Steve
Im with u Brian
problem with this is coaches get all the blame when things are going wrong but never credit when things are going right
maybe all is too strong of a word, but they do get a fair amount of blame
Duncan, Hugens, Lopes
I think that’s just a ploy that the GM/team uses to direct attention away from the struggling players
Ok. We can do this!
Maddux
maddux would be a dream come true
if nickeas cant get a bunt down i send him down tomorrow…
I predict Nickeas walks us off
Either that or HBP
unbelieveable…
Mattingly getting a workout today
ok, what real value is Mike Nickeas
3rd or 4th trip out to argue?
in all seriousness that was a DP off a bunt
Metsense…none
nickeas has no value.
he just bunted into a DP…the ump blew the call
It was really close
Yep
Umps have blew a lot of calls today
Not even
****
But the mets have had their share of bad calls in the last week so
that was one of the worst innings this team has played
Unreal
just cant see the bullpen holding up
Absolutely un friggin real
mlb.tv froze — what happened with Tejada up?
grounded into a DP
He’s hitting a real pot hole here lately
he’ll work out of it
dodgers are going to show the mets how to manufacture a run right now
That is awful, recipe for disaster
going to be funny to see kershaw lay down a better bunt than nickeas
Fraid so
I wouldn’t call it funny tho
how to you take that pitch..
have to at least try to foul it off
cruz mightve just bailed us out of this inning
Perfect pitch
delivered the same pitch again. he’s hitting that outside corner
i try it one more time if im them
nice
middle of order up
Ramirez got the job done.
awesome..might be our best shot here to win it with valdespin, wright, and davis due up
i hope they use that wall kid, never heard of him
I think I said that same thing back in the 7th, Steve.
hahaha brian
We get out of it?
hopefully spin ends it on one swing and lets us relax
yeah chris ramirez got it done
Ramirez got a foul pupup to end the inning.
Whew
13 left on base
yes, a no-name vs the middle of the order
name you got your wish
wall is pitching
Here we go!!!
LGM
I can imagine all the puns they could use with that last name
spinsanity
spin city
i was talking about wall
Wall and Nuienweiss look like brothers
mets have ran into the wall
david’s broken through the wall
DW
Its a start
chipping away at the wall.
How about some if we lose
Mets hit a Wall
We need a wall banger right now
nice throw
wright ran into the wall and the wall won
it’ll be a miracle if the bullpen keeps ems scoreless for one more inning
why? it’s only loney/gwynn/ellis
Loney getting a hit is not a good omen.
just playing to the odds…mets BP cant go too many innings without giving up a run
another bad call at 1st?
jeez this ump is having a bad day
Wow – 3 missed calls at 1B
and we’re losing the bad play call
Is that a surprise?
this is the at bat
ramon has to come through
oh boy
kemp
kemp smacked that
Imagine if the pitcher got a hit here
or they could use their last bench guy
just dont walk him in ramon
if he’s going to hit us, just let it be a Grand slam, i can’t take this anymore
heartbreaking boys
Jesus
is not a met fan lol
Ramirez sucks
Unreal
gonna be 1-8 since the break
thats all i have for today guys see you all later
Add in the cubs. Series too
I guess this means we score 2 in the bottom of the 12th
Duda!
Now it means we score 4
He just waved at it
Nothing good at this train wreck
Got ur grand slam in the end name
Anyone want to guess how long it will be until Collins uses Ramirez again
Hopefully never
Yeah, he thought he was buried earlier…
OK Elvin, I want to see some gas
There’s nothing left in this club
Ramirez might as well be a sell, as well as Rauch if you can get anything for them.
So. Can we blame Alderson for this lost season now?
I was promised 98 mph but I keep seeing 92 from Elvin
Nope. It’s still on wilpon
I did that the day Fransisco went down
Ok 6 in the 9th!
If we’re going to spend 5 hours watching the game the least they can do is score six runs this inning!
Why not?
Maybe this is one game where they should just roll over and die
And save whatever they have for a last stand vs Washington
Way to go Murphy!
And he has his average way over 300 now
Never give up an AB or inning, Name, or you get in the habit
I agree
They already did roll over.
The pitching did, the offense didn’t get the message yet
Jason Bay to K, fitting way to end the game
Bay – Mr Lucky?
I think he should strike out and reach base just so Nicekas can K and end the game.
its gonna be ugly in the papers tomorrow
Lets just have it end
a strikeout, as expected
Thanks for making this game almost tolerable with the 5-hour chat
Well folks. This was fun to chat.
thanks for chatting, very disheartening, much to digest about the trade deadline and the second half prognosis going forward. Appreciate everyone’s insights