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Hey Scott – thanks for dropping in!
Like/hate it
Didn’t CLE just non-tneder Chris Perez? Seems unlikely they would move Pestano
Pestano hadn
Pestano hasnt hit arbitration yet
Kids acting up – back in one second
I have Pestano for a buck in 2 AL lgs so im not pushing for it lol
I stashed mine in the bathtub
Ha!
Pestano can def. bring the heat. Name is he another Bobby Parnell?
Have never watched him pitch so i dont know.
as a fan i like the Wright deal but realistically its a waste. We will be paying for several years of his decline and unless we are planning to compete in the next few yrs, it makes little sence
76 Ks in 70 IP last year
I so much want the Wright deal to work out because I don’t want fans to boo him, ever.
I’m just afraid, that’s all
34-37 may not be pretty
Has anyone seen firm details of how the money works out? I’ve heard that they’ve structured it like a Bell Curve, where he gets more money in the middle and less on either end. That’s a pretty good way for the Mets to do it.
If you’re gonna get stuck paying too much for an old guy, he’s the guy to be stuck with
I have zero worries about this deal
I know that’s the argument – I just don’t know if I but it.
buy
you can’t buy loyalty, integrity and his resume came cheap
Let’s say absolute worst-case scenario happens and he pulls a Jason Bay on us the last two years of the deal – don’t you think the fans would turn on him?
Dont know what mode the Brewers are in but anyone like Aoki?
The contract scares me in the fact that it doesnt start until next yr
Met fans are rapidly becoming the worst in baseball so you never know
Aoki seems like better fantasy player than real life guy to me.
Aoki is a solid player, more of a 4th OF type but a decent CF
but hes over 30 yrs old so little upside
So Scott – how do you get it so your name doesn’t show up on the list of chatterers?
witness protection program
=]
no idea
And they have you on SI?!?
Just my luck
Seem odd that we have not heard one word/rumor about an Ike Davis deal?
The Mets apparently love him
Sure but no one else even wants to kick the tires?
They should hold on to Ike.
I think the prospect of swapping Davis is scarier than the risk of a Dickey deal
Was hoping they could move Duda but i believe he is injured,correct?
Im sure every player is talked about. Just depends on what the gm wants to leak out to the public.
My only thing with trading Ike is that we have a ready replacement with Duda and if he doesn’t develop it opens up a home for Flores.
Im not a Flores Beliver
Yes, Duda got hurt. But it’s hard to imagine him having much trade value after the year he just put up.
True
Duda foir Davis, Davis traded makes sense but might be too radical for the Mets
Picked Flores up in my dynasty league after his year in the APPY. Cut him before last year. Obviously the key for him is not to be on my team.
Davis for the Oak RF would be a fair deal
so is Myers a center fielder?
Reddick?
yes, he hit 30+ HR’s
you mean Wil Myers?
yes
No prob RF, hes a converted C but has athletic ability to play right
Yes, Myers played most of last year in CF. Came up as a C so may not be able to stay in CF long
Im actually really curious as to who the “insiders” and “high ranking officials” who leak info are
You sure he played CF?
Yes
I could get behind a Reddick/Davis deal if Reddick was a RHB
What is the difference, you are just swapping power bats.
Cain should play CF in KC i believe.
Myers defensive stats from BR – 2012 21 Omaha PCL AAA KCR 3B 13 31 8 21 2 3 .935 2.23 2012 21 Omaha PCL AAA KCR CF 67 144 139 2 3 0 .979 2.10 2012 21 Omaha PCL AAA KCR RF 5 14 13 1 0 0 1.000 2.80 2012 21 Omaha PCL AAA KCR DH 15 0.00 2012 21 Omaha PCL AAA KCR OF 70 158 152 3 3 0 .981 2.21
That’s 67 games at CF. Interesting that he also saw action at 3B – didn’t know that
The big advantage to the Davis-Reddick swap would be getting Duda out of the OF
The Mets must improve the OF defense
Back in 2 minutes
Have the Jackie Bradley rumors been sufficiently discredited yet?
The Mets had only 2 players statistacally better than avg offensively and defensively at their position. Hairston and Wright
I think talks with BOS pretty much got nowhere.
Tejada and murphy were below average?
How much did Tejada miss by?
Murphy way below AVG defensively
Offensively by a hair
Reddick is a good defender with a strong arm
Oh. Missed the defensive part. I dont think hairston was above average defensively though
Hairston was, only in LF where he belonged
Are you guys as stunned as i was that Pagan got 4-40?
Defense is overrated in my opinion
With the starting pitching, the defense will sabotage them
No, I think there’s more dollars available and few studs to spend it on.
do you mean defensive statistics or defence in general?
I was stunned at pagan deal too. Biggest surprise was when they called him a positive clubhouse guy
There is one way to lessen the gap between runs scored and runs against ratio. Defense and it is affordable
Pagan has been really good 2 of the last 3 years. And 2009 was a good year, too, in limited action.
the bat is more important simply because you bat more than you field plays
We gave him away for a pittance
playing Duda in left is “no defense”
Pagan played with his head up his *** in 2011 and was due to make more $$ than the Mets had for him.
the Pagan trade ended up terrible but at the time I was for it. Just didn’t work out
Yeah, their options were limited
if they kept him, they couldn’t have afforded him now
Red Sox will not deal any of their top prospects
He was also an idiot on the basepatj and a negative influnce in the clubhouse in 2011
Jokim Soria just signed a two-year deal with Texas. Another off the market whom the Mets could have had interest in.
Mets kept Havens out of Rule 5? Valdespin is having attitude problems in winter ball. What’s the story?
The Mets keep getting linked to FA who’ll receive big money and I just don’t see it.
Mets don;t really need to sign free agent relievers
Yes, Havens still on 40-man and I think that’s a mistake. He’ll never amount to anything now. It’s too bad – if he didn’t get hurt all of the time he could have been a good one.
How do you think Mets’ pen shakes out if they don’t sign any FA relievers?
Frank-Frank, Parnell, Edgin, Carson, Hefner — seems like there’s two openings
Familia and two late veteran FA signings
late signings were the way to go last year and the Mets miscalculated and signed early instead
Attitude problems have followed JV around in the minors. He didn’t show any with the Mets but I guess we can’t be surprised when they showed up again in Winter Ball.
It just takes one in a clubhouse to make going to work on a losing team unbearable
Do you expect Familia to be on the Opening Day roster?
I always liked Casey Stengel’s line – you’ve got to keep the five guys who hate you away from the five guys who haven’t made up their mind yet
Yes I do because the Mets have too many in the pipeline to wait on him in 2013
You think they’ll start the year with both he and Carson? That seem risky to me.
I’m bullish on a homegrown bullpen. Lots of options to choose from
he will have to earn it in ST , though
I’m bullish also, it seems to work for other teams
Like Blaine Boyer?
Ha
Brad Eamus?
I’m still staggering from the Manny Acosta non-tender. Maybe they can bring him back?
Did Emaus really win a job or did he get it by default because of his Rule 5 status?
Brian, you have always provided great reasons for Acosta but he can’t go wire to wire
Eamus was a “godfather” job from the front office
If only he had a pitching coach to help him over the rough patches…
A 1.78 ERA over his final 25.1 IP
Another year of Warthen and his changeups, Mejia reliefing, and just a poor job. Can’t believe it
There you go again!
So, where is Sandy going with the Mets tonight?
4 years of 4th place is tough to take
Cameron at Fangraphs says the Mets could be close, like the O’s and A’s
I wonder if Dickey can tell Harvey just to tune out everything Warthen tells him
Look what the Mets did in the first half while getting nothing from Davis — it’s not far fetched if the pitching holds up.
Exactly, that is why you only trade the pitching in a no brainer trade
From the sound of it, Alderson is being very patient with trades
plug in some low cost, above avg corner OF’s and take your chances
Well, that’s also the time period when Wright was an MVP and Nieuwenhuis hit well, too.
It’s not realistic to count on that much again
unfortunately the catching position can only be remedied by trade
and the bullpen is still weak, Frankie is not a closer to be comfortable with
I still hold out some hope with Thole…
Bullpen schmullpen
what do u mean 365
Just by blind luck – the pen has to be better in the first half than it was last year.
I think people put too much emphasis on being at least average at each position. Even winning teams have many holes
If Frank-Frank is our weak link I think we’ll be okay.
I mean the Mets needn’t worry about the bullpen, they have enough good arms theyy ought to be able to fashion something
Thole at best is a backup catcher. He has had ample opportunity
I buy the bullpen logic 365
And he was also doing a solid job last year before the concussion.
Thole, poor D, no power, less contact. But I like him on the team, just not starting
Thole to me isn’t going to be a starter on a good team
at times he looked like he might be enough of a batting-average/OBP guy that you could live with the subpar recieving and power but even that’s pretty underwhelming
Josh had his chance
Gotta give him some credit for catching dickey
.278/.360/.375 — would you be okay with that line from Thole?
w/o a doubt
this must be a trick question
That’s what he did from May 3 until the end of the year in 2011
And it’s not like it was some BABIP fluke — he did it with a .303 BABIP
.284/.356/.370 — that’s what he had last year before the concussion.
true, but he didn’t adjust in 2012 and Hudgens really screwed him up. Backman was the one that straightened Thole out and got him to the majors
Yea. Its amazing how perspectives change when you disconect names from stats
Hey guys did I miss anything?
I don’t think it’s a given he’s going to come back and do that in 2013 but he’s proven that healthy he can be an asset and it’s too soon to give up on him as a starter.
I think a good team requires something more dependable than what Thole’s offering at this point
The options are limited to be sure.
Perhaps. But no one knows what Thole’s offering at this point.
Thole with those #’s work except that Tejada, Murphy CF and RF don’t hit for power either.
To me getting 2 OF is so much more important than getting a catcher.
This is Dan Stack. Not 360fan_352. Hope all is well with everyone
I wonder if Kelly Shoppach will lose some of the 40 pounds he needed to over the offseason
Supposedly Mets not thrilled with his work while he was here.
Hey Dan – glad you culd join us
Shoppach sounds like history but I don’t agree. Really want Arcenibia
Cool, no problem. So in recap, what is the consensus on the player we should get most this off-season?
That guy was so fat
I dunno – JP Arencibia seems like the Rod Barajas experience all over again.
Does Anthony Recker have a shot?
The power – young- and what else is out there? Saltamachia?
You stumped me on Recker – who is that?
Well, we need a righty catcher. Who else? I assume Toronto doesn’t want to part ways with D’Arnaud
He played ball with Lutz in college
Jesus Flores is available for a song. Not sure why the Mets won’t give him a flyer.
Can the Mets afford to take D’Arnaud with such a young staff?
Looks like a 4A guy. Flores not much since his injuries.
Flores is a fall back – they need to do better
That’s why he’s available for so cheap. Any catcher worth anything gets money. I’ve got to run out for 15 minutes or so.
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Name – are you still against trading a starter if Myers can be had?
If it was Dickey yes i would be against.
Okay doing this on the phone blows. Night all
How about Mark Reynolds in the outfield? Don’t like it, but we need some thump and he’d probably be better than Duda?
It is hard to trade Dickey but this kid could be around for many years and he is a blue chip
Blue chips can still fail.
Dan, I want defense for the starting pitching’s sake, not another liability
I’d like Reynolds a lot if he’d accept a role on the bench
Name – you are so right.
MLBTR says Mets and Hairston optimistic on new contract
The Mets are in a position where they almost have to deal pitching for outfielders. Dickey presumably would bring the most so it ought to be him but if a comparable haul comes through Matt Harvey let’s do that.
Im wary of all royals prospects. Gordon moustakas hosmer were all blue chipd and none have started out well
The Wilpon’s have put the franchise between a rock and a hard place
I think the Mets have to trade Dickey or Niese if they expect to get anything that legitimately help the OF in 2013. If not, you’re gonna relay on the likes of Hairston, Ross, Reynolds, etc.
Alex Gordon did okay at age 24 (.783 OPS) and then got jerked around the next two years. There’s absolutely no reason he should have received fewer than 500 PA at age 25 and 26 for the Royals. That says more about their org than it does about him.
And of course he’s been real good the past two years.
That’s 500 PA combined for those two early prime seasons.
Nice chatting with you guys, gotta bail. Jon
Thanks Jon!
Dan – you going to watch NC State tonight?
Yep, my brother is at the game thanks to a certain coach!
Thanks guys, gotta go. Brian , Dan, Name, 365 it was a real pleasure. LGM
Thanks Metsense
Yes sir NP
The Mets are looking for a veteran left-handed reliever, and they’ve inquired about LHP Manny Parra (Sherman, NYP) The Mets have shown interest in free-agent LHP John Lannan (Sherman, NYP). The Mets are open to offering free-agent OF Ryan Ludwick a two-year deal, worth between $6-7 million per year (Davidoff, NYP).
I think Ludwick is not done yet, and if he got consistent at-bats he could hit 30 or so HR’s
Parra and lannan arent really relievers…
Yeah, I’m not thrilled with any of those three…
Ludwick seems like a 20-HR guy at best to me. He really took advantage of CIN last year.
I wouldnt give terry more opportunities to do mindless matchup games
True, but how many at-bats did he have? If he got more, he could have gotten close to 35-40, right?
In any event, I think we need at least two new upgradeable OF’s
It’s weird – he only got 422 ABs but it doesn’t look like he was platooned and he didn’t seem to have any DL stint
how many HR’s did he hit anyway last year?
Problem is that he is entetthe age wjen players start to decline
26 — 16 at home
OK, Well I’m gonna head out. It was fun and we should do it again. Perhaps, if big news breaks in the next couple of days. If something happens tomorrow night, I’ll certainly write about it.
Name – I’m gonna run too. Thanks for joining us tonight and thanks for being such a big supporter of our stuff — we really appreciate it!
Still there
STill there?
JUST HERE FOR A SEC
Chris here. I’m at mtgs!
Will b at DW press conf tmrw
Sorry you couldn’t be here earlier – we had a lively cha.
chat
I’m watching UCONN-NCSU – back in about 5-10 minutes
I just checked in. We should have a few more chats this winter
Test
32-31 NCSU at the half. Good game.
Crazy day here. Had I planned I could have offered to write something for you.
You said meeting – Winter Meetings?
Yep
I went to the one in Boston back in the late 90s. It was a lot of fun.
I’m overwhelmed. Had a quick greet with Burkhardt
Nice
Get lost in the hotel?
Hopefully see DW tmrw! Rumor strong for RA and Dodgers
And the Royals and the Rangers and the Blue Jays and ….
This place is insane. Maps don’t even help!
I’ve got like two minutes — anything you want to ask?
Got the sense LA is making ground. Hope he stays
Nah. Ciao
I think Alderson is only going to deal if he gets a nice package.
Looked through some of the old chat from tonight. sounds like a good time.