Back in November, at the introductory press conference for Steve Cohen, Sandy Alderson essentially said that Luis Rojas was going to return in 2021. Yesterday, Alderson essentially said the opposite. My opinion was that Rojas should have been let go prior to this season. But, at the beginning of the 2021 campaign, Rojas seemed like an improved man in the dugout. But as the season wore on, Rojas’ performance – much like the Mets’ themselves – seemed to deteriorate.

Of course, it’s an open question about how much authority Rojas actually has. There’s no debate that the front office has more influence over things that have traditionally been in the realm of managerial moves than they did back when, say, Bobby Valentine was managing, much less then when Gil Hodges was calling the shots.

But you’re kidding yourself if you think you know exactly how much influence the front office has here.

In a piece this morning for The Athletic, Tim Britton had several quotes from Rojas. This particular quote leads one to think that Rojas had more control over moves than many here seem to believe.

Does Rojas look back at August and wonder what he could or should have done differently?

“There’s always things you learn from and you go, ‘In a situation like this moving forward, I could have done this,’” he said.

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“There are some things where I can look back and I can say, ‘Maybe we could have tried this.’ That’s why every day you’ve got to feel that you’re better. Even though some decision you made didn’t work, you can learn from that. You’ve got to be humble enough to embrace that. I can think of a few things we probably could have approached a little different, just looking into the future for my personal standpoint. Definitely. There’s always that.”

It’s probably not realistic to imagine that Rojas would have thrown the front office under the bus with this question. He could have said something like, “I did the best I could with the players available and the front office directives.” But even if he wasn’t going to be that blunt, you can read a little between the lines. Rojas kept using the personal pronoun, “I,” when he very easily could have said, “we,” more than he did. Maybe this is nothing more than Rojas being a company man and taking one for the team. Or maybe he was actually the one completely responsible for the bonehead decisions we talked about regularly the past two months.

No team is going to let a high-functioning alcoholic like Billy Martin have unchecked power as a manager ever again. This is a good thing. But there are things that the suits in the front office should absolutely be in charge of and there are things for which the guy in the dugout wearing a uniform should be making the choices.

If you’ve been reading this blog for awhile you know about my strong belief in numbers. But there’s something about managerial “feel” that numbers can’t replace. And “feel” is really a catch-all term. Maybe it’s knowing when to yank a pitcher or maybe it’s knowing when your player needs a pat on the back or a kick in the pants. And maybe it’s even knowing when to ignore a front-office directive.

However you want to describe it, it’s why good teams follow Dusty Baker or Davey Johnson or Buck Showalter around.

The last three managers the Mets have hired had no previous big league managerial experience. It’s probably time to go in a different direction. Early in his Mets’ ownership, Cohen said, “I’m not crazy about people learning on my dime.” We’ve seen with Mickey Callaway and with Rojas the pratfalls of hiring a guy with no MLB experience.

While Showalter was mentioned above as a guy who can make a difference from the managerial chair, he’s not someone – in my opinion – that the Mets should target. Showalter’s strengths seem to be building a team up, rather than the guy who’s going to deliver a World Series. Maybe it’s naïve of me, with the Mets finishing under .500 the past two seasons, thinking that they don’t need to be built up.

Maybe the Billy BeaneBob Melvin package is just what the Mets need. Melvin won 93 games in Seattle, 90 in Arizona and 97 in Oakland. He has a .514 winning percentage in 18 years as a manager. And it should be stated that the Mets had at least two interviews with Melvin when they ultimately picked Terry Collins. Another gift to the Mets from Jeff Wilpon.

4 comments on “Luis Rojas and learning on Steve Cohen’s dime

  • TexasGusCC

    I have no problem with Melvin, but I don’t know if that option would be available. Also, it’s unfair to say Showalter is the Brian Shottenheimer of baseball, being he’s a good leader whose team does well but can’t win in the playoffs. The Mets need a smart and experienced leader. They screwed up not taking Girardi; Showalter would be a sufficient alternative. I like Bochy or Scioscia as well. It’s time to scrap Alderson’s ideas and bring in a manager that already knows how to win and stop to same old modus operandi of bringing in someone “he can work with”, translated into someone he can push around.

    Alserson’s job was always to build the team, not manage it. However, he wants to have input in the manager’s job but doesn’t ask a manager for input in his job! That’s why he chose Collins and not Melvin. That’s why he chose Callaway.

  • ChrisF

    rojas may be learning on cohens dime, but Alderson is stealing his dime (and a lot more of it) masquerading around as a FO guru of some sort.

    Alderson’s the architect of this disaster.
    Alderson has hired the worst of FO people.
    Alderson has left a decade (almost) long record of abject failure.

    Blame Rojas all you want, but the rot on this team is Alderson – he owned this mess loooong before Rojas was ever involved. This year is not an anomaly among the 8 other seasons he was the principal architect of doom of.

  • Wobbit

    No question for me that I want a guy that knows the game in his sleep. Rojas was not the Mets’ first choice, and it’s time for them to cut bait and get back to something more solid. Hire an experienced manager who brings an experienced and successful coaching staff.

    But please not Mike Scioscia… I can’t spell his name. And not Beltran. And not Terry Collins. And not Bobby V. And not David Wright. No repeats, no sentimentality… tough, experienced, savvy, hates to lose… a resume of winning.

    • Mr_Math

      How about R.A.D.?

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