During Sunday’s Game Chatter, Chris F and I were talking about Brett Baty. Specifically, Chris stated that the Mets can’t begin next year with Baty as their starting third baseman. It’s not difficult to understand where Chris is coming from here. Baty is right at the Galvis Line with an 80 OPS+ and he’s not making up for it with great speed or great defense. My immediate response was that the Mets don’t give a rookie the playing time they’re giving Baty and then not give him the job the next season.
Coming into the 2023 season, the Mets had 61 seasons under their belt. Any guesses how many rookie hitters had amassed at least 400 PA in franchise history? Turns out it’s only 23 times or roughly one every three years. Which makes this year, with Francisco Alvarez and Baty both likely to eclipse that mark, pretty unusual. It’s happened twice before, in 2003 and 1963. Neither of those seasons were winning years for the Mets, with the club suffering 95 losses in ’03 and 111 in ’63. Here’s the full list:
Player | OPS+ | Place | Season | Age | G | PA | AB | R | H | HR | RBI | SB | CS | BB | SO | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Pete Alonso | 147 | ROY-1 | 2019 | 24 | 161 | 693 | 597 | 103 | 155 | 53 | 120 | 1 | 0 | 72 | 183 | .260 | .358 | .583 | .941 |
Darryl Strawberry | 134 | ROY-1 | 1983 | 21 | 122 | 473 | 420 | 63 | 108 | 26 | 74 | 19 | 6 | 47 | 128 | .257 | .336 | .512 | .848 |
John Milner | 119 | ROY-3 | 1972 | 22 | 117 | 423 | 362 | 52 | 86 | 17 | 38 | 2 | 1 | 51 | 74 | .238 | .340 | .423 | .762 |
Ike Davis | 115 | ROY-7 | 2010 | 23 | 147 | 601 | 523 | 73 | 138 | 19 | 71 | 3 | 2 | 72 | 138 | .264 | .351 | .440 | .791 |
Jason Phillips | 115 | 2003 | 26 | 119 | 453 | 403 | 45 | 120 | 11 | 58 | 0 | 1 | 39 | 50 | .298 | .373 | .442 | .815 | |
Ron Hunt | 110 | ROY-2 | 1963 | 22 | 143 | 600 | 533 | 64 | 145 | 10 | 42 | 5 | 4 | 40 | 50 | .272 | .334 | .396 | .730 |
Gregg Jefferies | 106 | ROY-3 | 1989 | 21 | 141 | 559 | 508 | 72 | 131 | 12 | 56 | 21 | 6 | 39 | 46 | .258 | .314 | .392 | .706 |
Travis d’Arnaud | 105 | ROY-7 | 2014 | 25 | 108 | 421 | 385 | 48 | 93 | 13 | 41 | 1 | 0 | 32 | 64 | .242 | .302 | .416 | .718 |
Ron Swoboda | 103 | 1965 | 21 | 135 | 438 | 399 | 52 | 91 | 19 | 50 | 2 | 3 | 33 | 102 | .228 | .291 | .424 | .714 | |
Jay Payton | 98 | ROY-3 | 2000 | 27 | 149 | 529 | 488 | 63 | 142 | 17 | 62 | 5 | 11 | 30 | 60 | .291 | .331 | .447 | .778 |
Justin Turner | 94 | 2011 | 26 | 117 | 487 | 435 | 49 | 113 | 4 | 51 | 7 | 2 | 39 | 59 | .260 | .334 | .356 | .690 | |
Cleon Jones | 94 | ROY-4 | 1966 | 23 | 139 | 537 | 495 | 74 | 136 | 8 | 57 | 16 | 8 | 30 | 62 | .275 | .318 | .372 | .689 |
Jim Hickman | 94 | 1962 | 25 | 140 | 453 | 392 | 54 | 96 | 13 | 46 | 4 | 4 | 47 | 96 | .245 | .328 | .401 | .729 | |
Tsuyoshi Shinjo | 90 | 2001 | 29 | 123 | 438 | 400 | 46 | 107 | 10 | 56 | 4 | 5 | 25 | 70 | .268 | .320 | .405 | .725 | |
Kazuo Matsui | 89 | ROY-6 | 2004 | 28 | 114 | 509 | 460 | 65 | 125 | 7 | 44 | 14 | 3 | 40 | 97 | .272 | .331 | .396 | .727 |
Ty Wigginton | 88 | ROY-8 | 2003 | 25 | 156 | 633 | 573 | 73 | 146 | 11 | 71 | 12 | 2 | 46 | 124 | .255 | .318 | .396 | .714 |
Lee Mazzilli | 88 | 1977 | 22 | 159 | 618 | 537 | 66 | 134 | 6 | 46 | 22 | 15 | 72 | 72 | .250 | .340 | .339 | .679 | |
Tim Harkness | 81 | 1963 | 25 | 123 | 420 | 375 | 35 | 79 | 10 | 41 | 4 | 3 | 36 | 79 | .211 | .290 | .339 | .629 | |
Juan Lagares | 80 | 2013 | 24 | 121 | 421 | 392 | 35 | 95 | 4 | 34 | 6 | 3 | 20 | 96 | .242 | .281 | .352 | .633 | |
Kevin Elster | 75 | 1988 | 23 | 149 | 450 | 406 | 41 | 87 | 9 | 37 | 2 | 0 | 35 | 47 | .214 | .282 | .313 | .594 | |
Ron Gardenhire | 67 | 1982 | 24 | 141 | 424 | 384 | 29 | 92 | 3 | 33 | 5 | 6 | 23 | 55 | .240 | .279 | .313 | .592 | |
Rey Ordonez | 60 | ROY-5 | 1996 | 25 | 151 | 530 | 502 | 51 | 129 | 1 | 30 | 1 | 3 | 22 | 53 | .257 | .289 | .303 | .592 |
Wayne Garrett | 56 | 1969 | 21 | 124 | 454 | 400 | 38 | 87 | 1 | 39 | 4 | 2 | 40 | 75 | .218 | .290 | .268 | .558 |
There’s a ton of interesting information here. The first thing that jumps out is that while the Mets don’t give a ton of rookie hitters this much playing time, they’re usually pretty good when they do. Of the 23 rookie hitters on this list, 12 of them placed in the top 10 in Rookie of the Year voting, including seven in the top five. Alvarez should make it 13 in the top 10 and eight in the top five. Baty, eh, not so much.
In fact, if he maintains his 80 OPS+ thru the end of the season, it would tie for the fifth-worst mark in franchise history, with our old pal, Juan Lagares. But Lagares was providing Gold Glove-level defense in center field, which helped him to a 2.3 fWAR. Baty currently has a 0.2 fWAR and odds are he won’t crack a 1.0 mark by the end of the year.
Let’s look at the players with an OPS+ below 90 and see how they did the following season:
Matsui – Began his sophomore season as the starting 2B and remained until June 17. He didn’t play again until August 9 and was a part-time player for the rest of the season.
Mazzilli – Amassed 619 PA in his second full year and posted a 123 OPS+
Wigginton – Was a full-time starter with a 111 OPS+ until the Mets promoted David Wright and traded him to the Pirates near the end of July.
Harkness – Got the first hit by a Met in Shea Stadium but otherwise flopped, amassing just 128 PA before being traded at the end of July. Started until May 17 and then didn’t play again until July 14, with no time in the minors until after his trade to the Reds. Sounds like an injury.
Lagares – Injuries limited him to 452 PA in his second season but he upped his OPS+ to 102.
Elster – Had 508 PA in his sophomore campaign and upped his OPS+ 12 points.
Gardenhire – Began his second season as a reserve before being sent to the minors in early May. He didn’t return to the majors until September. He always had trouble with his hamstrings, so that could have played a role.
Ordonez – Was once again a starter but he missed a month with an injury. His OPS+ dropped to … triple checks … 36 but he won his first Gold Glove Award.
Garrett – Matched his 454 PA from his rookie season, despite the Mets trading for Joe Foy to play his position. Saw his OPS+ rise to 118, thanks in no small part to a doubling of his walk rate.
Of the nine rookies with an OPS+ in Baty’s ballpark, seven of them began the following season as a starter. Garrett played the whole season in the majors and ultimately reclaimed his position from Foy. Only Gardenhire really didn’t see significant time as a starter, with just 10 games where he was in the lineup for first pitch. And that was 40 years ago.
Baty has time to turn things around somewhat and at the very least to get above the Galvis Line this year. And it wouldn’t be a shock if he produced gains in his second season like Mazzilli, Wigginton, Lagares and Garrett did.
It’s not impossible that the Mets will look to replace Baty in the offseason. While he did not have enough PA in his rookie season to make this list, the Mets traded for Robinson Cano to bump Jeff McNeil into a reserve role at the start of the 2019 season. Like Garrett, McNeil ultimately reclaimed his status as a starter. Not only that, he turned in his best offensive season. If only McNeil could turn on the ball and hit homers like he did that season again…
But the big difference between Baty and McNeil is that the former was a first-round pick and widely considered one of the club’s top prospects from the moment he signed. McNeil was a 12th-round pick who had a little buzz before running into injury problems that many felt would keep him from the majors. Well, that and our current GM isn’t trying to find homes for his former clients.
Barring injury or trade, it would shock me if Baty wasn’t the starting 3B when Opening Day 2024 arrives. And that’s said while counting him as one of the team’s biggest disappointments in 2023, right up there with McNeil. It’s next to impossible for me to believe that he’ll be in a reserve role or in the minors at the start of next season. But as Matsui will tell you, just because you begin the year as a starter doesn’t mean you’ll end the campaign in the same role.
Given Baty’s draft status and potential, it seems likely that he will start next year at 3B regardless of how he fares through the end of this year. He may have a short leash though, especially if Acuna has a hot start to the year in Syracuse.
My feeling about Baty is linked to the direction of the team for ’24. If you think next season is an exploration and a repurposing of assets (in the finest Alderson wind-talker double speak) then I have no issues starting Baty and letting him learn the position at the big league level. At the same time, I think you really temper expectations for him, and the team. But if the team is supposed to be a “contender” after another winter injection of Ben Franklin’s into the roster, its adding a lot of question marks to the equation. Who is willing to sacrifice offensive productivity below Guillorme with minimal defensive skills?
I guess the final decision in my mind is linked to what the 24 roster and preseason plan looks like. But lets be clear, there is uncertainty all over this team across the diamond, making me wonder if everything that needs to be done can be done.
Positions around the diamond. Looks like a lot of heavy lifting making me think 24 is already coming out of the gate much more humbly without another Uncle Steve spending spree (? once bitten, twice shy?):
1B – Alonso (Vientos)
2B – ? (Acuna? McNeil?) – McNeil is a bench level player now
SS – Lindor
3B – ?
C – Alvarez (Narvaez?)
LF – ?
CF – Nimmo (Acuna?)
RF – McNeil (Marte)
DH – Vogelback? Maurico? Vientos?
Bench – McNeil
Bench – Marte?
Bench – Mauricio
SP 1 – ?
SP2 – Senga
SP3 – Quintana?
SP4 – ?
SP5 – ?
SP6 – Peterson
SP7 – ?
SP8 – ?
Closer – Diaz (unknown level after season ending knee injury)
SU1 – Raley?
SU2 – Ottavino?
LR1 – Peterson?
LR2 – Megill?
RP – Gott?
RP – de Oca?
RP – Coonrod?
Max Scherzer details his talks with management:
“I talked to Billy,” Scherzer told The Athletic. “I was like, ‘OK, are we reloading for 2024?’ He goes, ‘No, we’re not. Basically our vision now is for 2025-2026, ‘25 at the earliest, more like ‘26. We’re going to be making trades around that.’
“I was like, ‘So the team is not going to be pursuing free agents this offseason or assemble a team that can compete for a World Series next year?’ He said, ‘No, we’re not going to be signing the upper-echelon guys. We’re going to be on the smaller deals within free agency. ‘24 is now looking to be more of a kind of transitory year.’”
https://theathletic.com/4739281/2023/08/01/max-scherzer-mets-trade-deadline-retooling/
Not that this is a surprise with the deals that they made. It would be difficult to come to any other conclusion. It’s just not what I would have done.
Back 50 years ago there was a 23 year old rookie third baseman who played 132 games and only batted .196 with an SA of .373. He figured it out the following year when he batted .282 with 36 homers. The name? Mike Schmidt
Pretty lofty to compare Baty with Schmidt. I dont think you can equate essential failure in year one with HoF numbers for year two as an expectation or prediction.
Im not saying Baty is a forever flop, but at this point the *data* dont support him being, eh hem, Mike Schmidt. What he is is a real question mark.