d'Arnaud WheelerThe Mets need to make a splash.  They need to do something to both upgrade the team and excite the fan base.  Tampa Bay doesn’t need to but will still most likely want to move their ace David Price before he becomes too expensive for them.  This is how the Rays operated in the past with pitchers like Matt Garza and James Shields and it’s worked for them.  Now time for the Mets to jump in on some of this action.

For any Mets/Rays trade to get off the ground the Mets are going to have to lead with Zack Wheeler.  Wheeler is a low cost option who could immediately join the Rays rotation in effect replacing Price.  Of course it will take more than Wheeler to land Price.  This is where the trade gets a little sticky.   Travis d’Arnaud has already been traded twice for two top pitchers and until yesterday the Rays were looking for a catcher.  But yesterday the Rays traded for Ryan Hanigan.  Okay, Hanigan wasn’t exactly the second coming of Johnny Bench but he’s been a serviceable catcher for the Reds posting positive bWARs in three of the last four years.  It’s possible the Rays would see d’Arnaud as a potential upgrade over Hanigan.   D’Arnaud is three years younger and has been a top prospect.  Still in limited playing time last year d’Arnaud didn’t really impress: .202 BA, .286 OBP and -0.3 bWAR.   So d’Arnaud may not be a good fit for the Rays now.   Plus the Mets probably want to hold on to d’Arnaud since he is their best catching option for 2014.

Therefore, the Mets would love to trade Daniel Murphy in this deal but the Rays already have Ben Zobrist playing a lot of second base.  Zorbrist has posted bWARs of 8.6, 4.5, 8.8, 5.9 and 5.1 over the last five years.   But here’s where this can become feasible.  Tampa Bay DH’s hit .214 last season.  Daniel Murphy hit .286 last season.  While Murphy has made some progress in the field, his best position is still “number three hitter.”  So maybe Tampa Bay would be interested in Murphy as a DH who can also fill in at second base, first base and third base.

Of course even if the Mets were to agree on players with the Rays then the question becomes are the Mets willing to sign Price long term?  Price is one year away from a Cy Young Award.   He is only 28 years old.  He is 71-39 lifetime with a 3.19 ERA pitching in the AL East.  He is going to want to be paid like an elite pitcher, hence the reason Tampa a true small market team needs to trade him.  Now are the Mets willing to act like the major market team they are?

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58 comments on “Can Zack Wheeler and others for David Price happen?

  • 3doza33

    Why would we give up a potential ace with his best years ahead of him for $500 thousand a year and our second best hitter for a player that will end up costing around 150-200 million?? That’s how u ruin a franchise!

    Editor’s note: This comment edited to remove word typed in all capital letters. Please don’t do that.

  • Les Gomez

    Pass

    I wouldn’t trade Harvey, Wheeler or Thor unless I was literally blown away, e.g. the player we get in return’s last name rhymes with “clout”

    If Tampa would take Montero, Murphy, Duda, and Flores, I’m in.

    The thought of our opening day staff in 2015 being Harvey-Price-Wheeler-Syndergaard-Neise sounds good to me.

    Editor’s note: This comment edited to remove word typed in all capital letters. Please don’t do that.

    • Robby

      Totally agree. Those three could be what the Braves had in the 90’s/00’s. Plus Neise and Gee. The team needs everyday players in the lineup. I keep hearing about adding a starter but what difference does it make if you can’t score runs.

  • eraff

    The Mets need to lock down an additional 350-400 innings from starters not named Gee, Niese or Wheeler. Price made $10,000,000 last year…he’ll doubtless get a nifty raise this year. If you trade Wheeler in a package for price, you’ve added a 12-15 million dollar obligation this year…and you haven’t added more than 50 innings, if anything, to your innings load production.

    The Mets are struggling to pull a trigger on a range of guys from Hudson to Kazmir…and even Fister—- specifics aside, these are guys who are “in the population of consideration” for adding pitching. If you get Price, you still need the extra 400 innings to be productive. We know that 200 are being spotted by their present guys at the mlb and milb levels. That means you’re STILL struggling to add that other 200 innings—and it’s another 8-12 million dollars.

    So, you’ve spent 25 million dollars/year and you have added an ace….. and then???!!!

    I’m pondering whether a Daniel Murphy for Fister trade would have made sense—- evenish dollars. Then you poke around for another starter…or not….and you still have all of your “powder” dry for free agents…that same $25,000,000….. JD Drew and another OF Bat?\

    Niese, Fister, Gee, Wheeler…. plus the innings fillers and waiting for the young arms….

    …. EYJ/Flores at 2b…. Drew at SS…..an additional OF’er (hey—Grandy?)….

    That team can play……even with Ike/duda/satin at 1st and Reuben at short—– I can try with that team

    Editor’s note: This comment edited to remove word typed in all capital letters. Please don’t do that.

    • Les Gomez

      For what the Nats gave up, we should have definitely traded for Fister

  • Chris F

    Thats a ridiculous proposition. Why on earth would we trade controllable quality pitching for an ace when we wont be competitive in the 2 years left on his contract.

    Make a splash: Get Cano. Buy Choo. Figure out a trade for Cuddyer.

    • John Zakour

      I certainly hope the Mets will be competitive in 2015!

      • Chris F

        Trade the future for 1 year of Price, when we have such a strong pitching pipeline, that by 15 could feature two or three #1s (Harvey, Syndergaard, Montero) and two #2s (Wheeler, Niese) makes absolutely no sense. Price is a 2-yr purchase for a team thats on the verge of the post season, or already there. The last thing we need to dump a huge lump of $ on are pitchers. Like I said, if its gonna cost money or players, Id like to see the line drives to the gap or bombs a’flyin.

        • John Zakour

          See, I guess I’m just a pessimist that the pitching pipeline will deliver. I’m more afraid it will burst an spring a leak. I still remember Generation K and how they were going to lead the Mets to the promised land. ( I guess Isringhausen did become a good reliever down the road.) I worry that could happen again.

        • Old Dude

          You seem a bit overly optimistic in my mind. Montero hasn’t pitched an inning in the majors and was 5-4 at Las Vegas and you list him as a #1. I hope he can be a major league pitcher, but I doubt that he will be a #1. I can’t see Niese as a #2. I know he opened the season last year, but that was due to injuries and the youth of the staff. I hate to mention this, and I hope it doesn’t happen, but everyone seems sure that Harvey is coming back as an ace in 2015. Not everyone gets back to what they were before the surgery, and most take until their second year back. I do agree on not trading them for Price, though.

  • Robby

    Not the best article I have seen on here. Why trade a young core for a high priced pitcher? Not knocking Price at all and would love to have him but this team is pretty good going into next year and really good in 2015 with pitching. If Price was the final piece to complete this team then yes but way to many holes and upgrades needed in other places.

  • Name

    A couple weeks ago, i proposed a trade that looked like this which i still think makes some sense:
    Wheeler, Montero, Ike, Flores, Mdd/Lagares
    for
    Price, Joyce, Escobar

    We would most likely need a 3rd team to get it done though as i’m not sure the Rays really want someone like Flores or Montero.

    • Jerry Grote

      here is the question for you … in Tampa, who plays SS if Yunel Escobar is traded?

      • Name

        Hak-Ju Lee should be ready once he eclipses the Super 2 deadline. In the meantime they can finally give Tim Beckham a shot or have split time with Zobrist. If they really want another placeholder, i wouldn’t mind giving them Tejada or Tovar. Or they could flip Montero/Flores for another cheap placeholder to their liking.

    • Metshteory22

      If you throw in a player to be named later, ( Harvey or Thor) I’m sure Tampa would bite. There is no way you trade all those guys for this package. Pitching wise, I keep Montero and Wheeler at this point, money wise and years. Don’t want Escobar either (head case.

      Editor’s note: This comment edited to remove word typed in all capital letters. Please don’t do that.

      • Name

        And Tejada isn’t a head case?

        I can see your point of not trading if you think highly of Wheeler (which I’m not as high as most people) and I think we have enough pitching depth that Montero is expendable. In return, we get a Granderson-lite at a huge fraction of the price as well as a cheap SS.

        • John Zakour

          I like the idea of Granderson. I am not high on Zach Wheeler. If the Mets keep him I hope I am wrong.

      • Metstheory22

        editor- you are kidding. i had two words for effect. (notice all words were lowercase).

        • Brian Joura

          I assure you I am not kidding.

          • pete

            I apologize cause I have a habit of doing that. I honestly was not aware of this rule and will have to figure out a different way to stress my point. By the way where are the rules for the website. I know besides using common courtesy and no vulgar language.

            • Brian Joura

              In large part it’s my fault because I’ve allowed it to happen up until now. I think this is a great community with intelligent discussion and this is one way I’m trying to keep it that way. I’m not looking to stifle creativity or dissent. I want people to disagree and challenge us and make us laugh, which our regular commenters do on a consistent basis.

              A link to the comment policy is available on every page under the header.

  • Metsense

    With all the pitching in the Met pipeline I think Tampa Bay is the direction the Mets should look to: not to trade with but to emulate. Pitchers are in demand and very expensive and they get hurt.
    Imagine after 4 years of Harvey they trade him and restock, then Wheeler, then Syndergaard. Long term expensive contracts for pitchers are the riskiest. The Mets could produce Perpetual teams that will be contending just like the Rays except the Mets will also be pulling in the revenue. That revenue could be used for the fixes needed ever year and put them over the top. The Rays don’t have the luxury of additional revenue no matter how great they play in Tampa Bay. Maybe some day, Depodesta will get his dream of “moneyball with money”!

    Editor’s note: This comment edited to remove word typed in all capital letters. Please don’t do that.

    • Metsense

      Wow, following the Mets and their financial drivel had made me forget that the Mets play in NY and at one time had 4M fans at the stadium! The Yankees lost $50M in revenue by not making the playoffs. It is a disgrace that the Mets have an 87M budget with all that potential to earn money and make a profit. The Wilpon’s should really sell the team to someone with capital.
      Source:http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303997604579238550215265832?mod=wsj_nview_latest

  • NormE

    dear editor,
    “please don’t do that” doesn’t seem to be cutting it. why not bounce the comment back to the offender and ask for it to be cleaned up before it will be published?

    • eraff

      Maybe a rewards system—Grade all of the posts and provide monthly rewards—a Dean’s List!

    • Brian Joura

      Thanks Norm,

      I’ve been slack about allowing random capitalization and this morning I reached my boiling point. Today they get corrected and tomorrow they get deleted, just as it says in our comment policy.

  • Leo

    This is a the type of trade which would make sense for a team like the Sox, the Dodgers, the Cardinals- In other words, teams which have excess talent that they will not be able to get on the field and teams which also have the financial wherewithal spend additional monies on free agents to backfill for any lost players. So, I find the entire proposition completely barren of logic, and it fails even to deliver on the false premise posed: “Upgrade the team and excite the fan base”. To your credit- you stated that Murphy and D’arnaud were not matching pieces for this deal, but even if they were. You’d be giving up a starting catcher, a starting 2nd Baseman, and a starting pitcher. How about the alternative of picking up a top starting pitcher in free agency and keeping (in my alternate universe- that word would otherwise be capitalized) the two starters in place for use on the field or in other trades? Your proposals and all such proposals which require multiple starting players in exchange for a high priced “star” do not work for a team like the Mets. it amounts to subtraction by addition

    • John Zakour

      Yeah, I guess I’m still under the delusion that the Mets played in a major city and could have a real budget. Remember I’m a sf / humor writer by trade so my paying job is “making stuff up.”

      Still, I look at getting Price as a player to build around much like an older more refined version of Matt Harvey. To me a Mets 2015 team that featured Price, Harvey, Montero and Syndergaard in the rotation would be something really fun to watch. I like Zach Wheeler but he still looks to me as a number 2 at best. (I truly hope I am wrong but I have seen a lot of young arms never become what they were hyped to be.) I knew people would balk at this trade but I was expecting more, “No way Tampa Bay gives up Price for that package.” 🙂

  • eraff

    Free The Capitals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Kevin

    Would be a waste. For the 2 years we had control of Price we wouldn’t be able to score any runs for him. At least with Wheeler there is hope that he will eventually turn into a “Price-like” pitcher and by the time he does we might be able to score some runs.

  • pete

    Sorry John! You’re 0 for 2 with your last 2 blogs. Do you think the Wilpons care about making a splash? Or about retaining control of the Mets. If they felt they needed to make a splash for you they would of signed Choo before Ellsbury signed with the Yankees. The price goes up now for Choo and with it any thought of signing him. Murphy doesn’t hit for power. In the American League East you need a DH who can hit the long ball. Besides as you said the Rays already have a second baseman. Sending them D’Arnaud makes no sense from the Rays viewpoint. Davis and Duda are spare parts and would not be key figures in any trade. I wonder if Wheeler would be able to handle today the overloaded line ups in the AL east? Price will probably get a raise to 15 million this season. Which means no Granderson and no run support for Price.

    • John Zakour

      Yeah I never was a very good hitter. I think I went 0 for college and American Legion. (Being a relief pitcher I think that was like 10 abs.) I pretty much asked if this was a viable trade. The response seems to be a resounding no. That said, I do think Murphy would hit for more power if he got out of Citi field. He does seem to be the position playing Met with the most trade value so if the Mets do make any trades in these coming weeks there’s a good chance he’ll be the one to go and we’ll get to see how he hits outside of Citi.

  • pete

    Problem with Murphy is he does everything offensively well but just quite not good enough to be classified as a DH or a premiere hitter. Definitely a solid piece in a package deal for a corner outfielder. But then again look at how many responses you got! Don’t stop now! Okay?

    • John Zakour

      My masters is in human behavior. I’m fairly good at creating a stimulus that will generate a response. Sometimes I look at Murphy’s swing and think, “this guy could lead the league in hitting…” So he does have the tools to be a very good hitter.

      • Old Dude

        Third base is supposed to be his “natural” position. It won’t happen in Citi Field. Maybe Murphy goes in a package to a club that needs help at third. Cubs? Indians? Mariners?

  • Les Gomez

    I’d keep Ike. Even Bill James has him bouncing back to a .350+ OBP and 28 homers.

    Sign Granderson, bat him cleanup. Maybe a package of Murphy, Montero, Duda and Lagares can net us Cespedes and Lowrie. That would give us a lineup of 2B-Young, SS-Lowrie, 3B-Wright, LF-Granderson, RF-Cespedes, 1B-Davis, CF-Young, C-d’Arnaud.

    I would take fliers on Jason Hammel and Paul Maholm. They are both young and talented enough that if either bounce back, they could be nice long-term solutions to the back end of the rotation. The rotation would start with Neise, Wheeler, and Gee, with Mejia, Hammel, Maholm and deGrom fighting it out for the 4th and 5th spots until Syndergaard is ready.

    • John Zakour

      Syndergaard is probably ready now the teams just not ready to give him a full year in the majors. It’s all about control and the money.

    • John Zakour

      Note: watched Cespedes take BP in Toronto this year. The guy does have monster power.

      • pete

        At least we can say he wasn’t taking any PED’S in Cuba. Right?

  • pete

    Dear Metsense the Mets drew 4 million fans in our old dilapidated cozy Shea stadium. There is some truth in the saying all things eventually even out. The Wilpons screwed their own employees by encouraging them to rollover their 401k’s with Mr. Madoff. They then had the audacity to lay off front office personnel due to their unfortunate turn of events. The Mets will never win another World Series until the team is sold. In order to make money you have to spend it. That is something the team cannot do right now or the foreseeable future.

  • Eraff

    Consider this…. any business consists of 3 core “participants” in addition to its owners:
    -business partners and suppliers
    -employees
    -customers

    (there is a fourth entity of a broadly defined “public trust/community” that i will “set aside” for this “discussion”)

    The Mets have received an additional 25 million dollars in tv money. As a big market anchor, they are simply overpaid and not participating to support the best outcome for any of their core participants. As a “playing Partner” to the other teams in baseball…as a big market “Cleanup Hitter” the Mets are a black hole. If you we a ballplayer and the Mets were your teammate, you’d Confront them for “Jaking It”— that’s “going through the motions” in “old guy lingo”.

    This is an Observation, Not a Personal Judgement of behavior or Human Quality. The T.V. contract would be bigger with the Mets as full participants as an anchor team.

    The ballpark was built and the team dismantled with no feel or direction to immediate or long range Customer needs. Their advertisers and their employees have suffered because of the loss of business directly attributed to their Baseball and Non-Baseball activities. Their business partners (MLB) has been left with an empty slot in a Top Rainmaker business location. They are not driving ticket sales on their road trips….they are not driving eyeballs to nation telecasts.

    Only Love and Loyalty keep me here, as a Mets Fan….. any other business which had failed me so miserably is already out of range in my rear view.

    • Brian Joura

      I’m not sure that the contract would be bigger if the Mets had a higher payroll. The last contract went up considerably with the Mets stuck in declining payroll mode.

      Mets fans on the other hand – they’ve certainly made their views known. It will be interesting to see how much attendance declines this year without All-Star ticket packages to sell.

  • pete

    So long as the Wilpons retain ownership there is nothing that can be done. They will simply apply their additional revenue from television and apply it towards their massive debts. I keep asking why the fans don’t stand up and voice their displeasure by boycotting Citifield and SNY? I can’t cheer for the Yankees but I do respect their owners for having the guts to change their philosophy midstream and sign free agents who will make a difference and bring fans back to Yankee Stadium. Can’t say the same for this current ownership.

  • eraff

    Brian… I did not observe that the TV contract would be bigger if the Mets Payroll was higher. That may in fact be the case, but my observation was that they have underperformed both Expectations and Obligations to several measurements of performance…. won-loss/entertainment, ticket sales at home and as a visiting draw, ears, eyeballs. and butt cheek “traffic” at stadiums and broadcast venues.

    Yes…I believe that their ability and attitude regarding payroll and talent is a major factor. Note, I included Talent as an entity with the acknowledgement that there are several models for talent acquisition.

    I do not believe that their focus has been inclusive enough in driving on-field and financial success—and I believe they have managed exclusively to the interest of cutting costs without devotion to other performance measures.

    My part is that of a Fan…and I do consider that ownership and management have other frictions and interests. Personally, I’m receptive to forgiveness of difficulties and mistakes;however, I cannot look past my feelings of being abandoned as a fan.

    I don’t care how they do it, whether a low or high payroll. I would have expected more progress to this point on all planes. I’m sure the other constituencies within the business partner and employee core might have similar concerns.

    • John Zakour

      Totally agree with that statement.

    • Brian Joura

      “I don’t care how they do it, whether a low or high payroll. I would have expected more progress to this point on all planes.”

      But are your expectations of progress reasonable given the financial constraints ownership is under?

      The Doubleday Mets had (relatively) a ton more money to spend and went from 1980-1983 with a .409 winning percentage. It wasn’t until year five of Doubleday/Cashen that they were above .500 – and that’s generally considered the gold standard among Mets fans.

      The Alderson era Mets started with a better team but that team didn’t stay healthy and didn’t have the ability to retain star players outside of Wright, much less add others.

      Cashen had more money and better draft picks. Alderson started with a higher level of MLB talent, but one that was generally considered below average.

      The MLB payroll situation is in much better shape now. The farm system has already produced quality talent and more is on the way. There are credible rumors of an outfield bat being acquired. My take is that progress is being made and is on a level close enough to what is considered the high point in the team’s history.

      We all want that progress to have happened yesterday. And ultimately each fan will have to decide for himself if the team is on the right track. But I would suggest that anyone who stuck with it through the last three years would be making a mistake to abandon fandom now.

      • eraff

        The is no doubt that the model for building a team in 1980 was very different than in 2013. There are now many avenues to acquire talent that were not available then. I believe they’ve had more tools at their disposal than they’ve used…I find them risk averse to the extreme. I find their actions and their reactions to real market conditions (including their own!) as evidence that they lack Both the specific skills and the commitment to deliver on reasonable expectations as well as Obligations they should meet. The “Troika” Baseball “brain trust” is woefully short of serious baseball accomplishment “Chops”. “Since Oakland”, these guys are in a combined “almost zippo” for 30 combined seasons. Add in (what I consider to be) Ownership Apathy to “anything baseball”, and it’s a Loser (Brian—That Really Needed To Be Capped!)!!!

        I simply won’t fence with you about a comparison between Sandy and Cashen…. my advice?…don’t go there! It’s a big time losing argument!

        As for my expectation of progress…versus, say, Yours? Are you Satisfied?…Impressed? Do You believe they could have should have, would have done better by now>,,,is there a Brian Joura Plan that may have exceeded the SA plan by this point in time?…. I’ll sit in The Devil’s Advocate Seat and allow Your response.

        • Brian Joura

          Explain to me these avenues that are available now that weren’t in 1980. The only thing I can think of is players from the Far East and occasionally Cuba. Those players generally cost money, something this administration doesn’t have a lot of. Every move they make or don’t make has to take the payroll constraints into account. To pretend otherwise is not facing reality.

          What Alderson and the rest did before they came to the Mets was important when they came on board but after three years on the job is completely irrelevant. The only thing they should be judged on is what they’ve done from the moment they arrived. As for my thoughts on what they’ve done – I’m not going to rehash them now point by point as I’ve done that for their entire tenure. You should explore the archives and see for yourself the moves and non-moves I’ve agreed with and ones that I didn’t. It’s all there.

          The circumstances that Alderson is working under are far more difficult than the ones that Cashen had. The payroll constraints are the number one obstacle and the 24/7 media scrutiny is a close second. If you think for one moment that if the current Twitter environment that exists now existed at the same point in the Cashen era (December 1982) that he wouldn’t be getting murdered for where they were at – you are deluding yourself.

          Cashen made the “big splash” that everyone wants to see Alderson and the Mets make now when he traded for George Foster prior to the ’82 season. And Foster was a colossal disappointment. The 1982 team put up a 97-loss season, one in which they went 25-50 after the All-Star break.

          Check the Opening Day lineup for 1983 and compare it to what the Mets put out on Opening Day, 2014. The current version will be vastly superior.

          Cashen holds the ultimate trump card as he has a World Series championship for the Mets on his resume. Alderson won’t surpass him until he does the same. That certainly won’t happen in this year.

          For Cashen, it happened in his sixth season. I think to do likewise is in play for Alderson and his group right now. There’s still a lot of work to be done but he’s put the team in position to match what the Mets did from 1984-1990. The job’s still in progress but if you told me the payroll was going to drop $50 million (potentially even more depending on what happens this year) then yes, I would say I’m happy with where they’re at.

          Their only big money contract is for a homegrown player who has a shot of being worth his contract. There’s quality SP in the majors and more in the minors. They have a potential two-way player at catcher, a star at 3B, a solid player at 2B and a Gold Glove player in CF. He’s got three years to find the answers for three corner positions and SS – and it’s possible that Cesar Puello might be one of the OF answers.

          The team is heading in the right direction. Sure, I wish it was further along but I’d rather be the 2014 Mets than the 1996 Pirates.

          Edit: The World Series happened in Cashen’s seventh year, not his sixth.

  • John Zakour

    I keep saying to myself, Sandy Alderson is a smart guy he know what he’s doing. But it’s been three years now and the Mets have won: 77, 74 and 74 games. Last years team looked like it belonged more in Buffalo (well Vegas) than NYC.

    • Jerry Grote

      2014 probably won’t be “our year”. I think you are missing a bigger picture here. Lucas Duda has been continually cast in a role he can’t fulfill. Bat him 6th or 2nd, not cleanup, and put him at 1B, not LF.

      Next year, God willing, we will start 3 centerfielders. A ball might not touch the outfield grass at Citi until May. The outfield, an absolute mess in April of 2013, could be one of the best in baseball next year. Including David Wright, I believe the majority of the starting 8 will be substantially better than league average.

      SS remains a problem, but for the sake of argument let’s say Drew falls to us. Or Davis/Murphy/Flores/Ynoa nets you *something*. With a pretty good defensive SS, you can move either EYJ or preferably Ruben Tejada to 2B.

      That defense would be the best in all of baseball. You have no less than six pretty good bats in that order, maybe seven.

      By July, you will have a rotation featuring Noah, Wheeler, Montero, Niese, Gee. The minor league system features a top 2B prospect, a great reliever, a power OF bat, one of the top 1B prospects in baseball (ugh. I guess), and another that is a short distance away.

      At the end of April, this was a horrible team but solutions weren’t in place yet. At the end of October, this was still a horrible team, but the solutions were injured or had been traded. The tide is turning.

      Wait.

      • Jerry Grote

        To that ends … on April 30th, this was the team that started against the powerhouse Marlins, with their OPS at that point in the season:

        Baxter, RF: .559
        Tejada, SS: .656 (oh, that he could have kept that torrid pace up)
        Wright, 3B: .892
        Duda, LF: .978
        Murphy, 2b: .777
        Davis, 1B: .583
        Recker, C: .367
        Lagares,CF: .298

        Oddly enough, on July 30th against the same Marlins and now, Zack Wheeler is in the rotation:

        Young, CF: .672
        Murphy, 2B: .732
        Wright, 3B: .902
        Byrd, RF: .837
        Davis, 1B: .548
        Buck, C: .675
        Lagares,CF: .719
        Q SS: .636

        Key bench contributors included Josh Satin (.892 OPS at the time).

  • pete

    No more excuses about being weighed down by dead contracts so we’ll see.

  • John Zakour

    I really thought after listening to the talk this season the Mets would at least be in play for Ellsbury or Choo and maybe a Josh Johnson. Still if they get Grandy that will be an improvement.

  • eraff

    I would want them to sign Choo—5/110….option on 6th…

    He’s relatively young…… has spectacular “old player skills” with a good balance of “Young Player” left.

    He’s a “Lefty David Wright”—he’s their centerfold description of a baseball player.

  • John Zakour

    Did anybody see the piece MLB network did comparing Wright and Cano? They have played the same amount of games.

    Player 1: BA .309 OBP .355 204 HR, 2 gold gloves, bWAR 45.2
    Player 2: BA .301 OBP .382 222 HR, 2 gold gloves, bWAR 46.6

    Player 1 is Cano… Player 2 is Wright. Good deal for the Mets at 14 years and 192M.

    • Name

      I think you mean 8 years and 135M. About the same production when on the field, the only difference is that Cano has been a lot healthier and more consistent than Wright over the past few years.

      • John Zakour

        Just going with what I read on baseball reference: 2014 Contract Status: Signed thru 2020, 14 yrs/$192M (07-20) Whatever he is still a good deal in baseball land.

        • Name

          Whoever edited that used his career earnings rather than the actual extension.

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